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May 31, 2007

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KANSAS CITY, Mo. (May 31) - An Iraq war veteran could lose his honorable discharge status after being photographed wearing fatigues at an anti-war protest.

Marine Cpl. Adam Kokesh and other veterans marked the fourth anniversary of the war in Iraq in April by wearing their uniforms - with military insignia removed - and roaming around the nation's capital on a mock patrol.

After Kokesh was identified in a photo cutline in The Washington Post, a superior officer sent him a letter saying he might have violated a rule prohibiting troops from wearing uniforms without authorization.

Kokesh, a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, responded with an obscenity.

Now, a military panel has been scheduled to meet with Kokesh on Monday to decide whether his discharge status should be changed from "honorable" to "other than honorable."

What he did was certainly other than honorable, in fact, it was down right dishonorable:

And before you liberals start screaming about how unfair all this is... read the article and note:

Kokesh is part of the Individual Ready Reserve, a segment of the reserves that consists mainly of those who have left active duty but still have time remaining on their eight-year military obligations.

Kokesh is still under obligation to United States Marines, and he dishonored his uniform, and he was disrespectful to an officer. Doing what he did while wearing his uniform was against the rules, but then, violating the rules seems to come natural to Kokesh, considering he was demoted from sergeant to corporal and not allowed to redeploy to Iraq after it was learned that he brought a pistol back after his first tour in 2004.

There is a little poll at the link, asking whether you think he should lose his honorable discharge status for his dishonorable conduct.

I voted Yes on the poll, but only because there was no option to vote Hell Yes.

Let's hope John Murtha is next.

Posted by LindaSoG at May 31, 2007 01:12 PM


Comments

If he is still in the reserves, and he has broken the rules, then he should be punished!... This should have nothing to do with him being a disgrace as an American, in which I think he is!

Posted by: Vincent Dent at May 31, 2007 03:16 PM


what makes you think this man doesn't have the same rights as everyone else to express his opinoin on the war? the government has no right to punish him for what he thinks and what he says. people like you are part of the problem, and maybe even the whole problem. you cry about freedom and you want to take away everyone elses freedom.

Posted by: kyle at May 31, 2007 06:21 PM


You as every other liberal, have NO clue and are as ignorant as can be on any subject.

Posted by: DoubleU at May 31, 2007 06:41 PM


Of course he has the right to his own opinion kyle, and he can say what he wants. what has that got to do with the fact that he broke the rules when he wore his uniform to do it?

Free speech does not mean freedom from rules.

its people like you who are the problem, who want the freedom to do what you want when you want without consequences.

Posted by: Rene at May 31, 2007 07:44 PM


Cpl. Kokesh knows more about what it means to be American than any of the screaming right-wing militaristic idiots out there. He fought for our freedom, and as such, I think he absolutely deserves the RIGHT to protest as he sees fit. It's not whether you agree with his message or not, but he is entitled to express his opinion. PERIOD. I'm so disgusted with so-called patriots who wrap themselves in the US flag, but haven't the slightest clue what the Bill of Rights is about, or care less. Cpl. Kokesh, along with men like Sgt. Joseph Darby, are the soldiers who bring great honor in being American.

Posted by: Chuck Sakryd at May 31, 2007 09:37 PM


Really Chuck? And just what exactly is it that makes Kokesh a great American?

Breaking his oath by failing to maintain conduct becoming a Marine while still under contract to the United States Military?

Or smuggling in illegal weapons from another country?

Or cussing out a superior officer? Tell ya what, tomorrow morning, go cuss out your boss and see if you keep your job and your benefits.

This ain't about what he said and what he did. Its about what he wore when he said what he said and did what he did. Its about what he said to his superior officer afterwards. He violated the rules he agreed to abide by when he took his oath.

I'm so disgusted with you liberals who consider anything anti-American to be patriotic.

bassackwards liberal.

Posted by: LindaSoG at May 31, 2007 10:07 PM


That is a disgrace Linda. I like you and many of us have read the true patriot hero stories of those who gave their lives for this country and for their comrades as well. Semper Fi is not to ever be taken lightly and by his insubordination adding insult to the corps he should be stripped of the "honor" in is discharge. I say discharge the f**ker right the hell back to Baghdad to fend on his frakken own.

The poll must be loaded. I just came from there (10:50pm EDT) and 73% say "No" he shouldn't loose the honorable.

Posted by: auspatriotman at May 31, 2007 10:59 PM


As a member of the ready reserve he has an obligation to honor the uniform whether he is on full time active duty or not. His not wearing insignia doesn't absolve him of the dishonoring of his fellow Marines, his country and all who are in uniform by his acts. He may very well have robbed a bank or killed a cop in his uniform to bring the same level of shame to his fellow American servicemen. The fact that he is in the ready reserve means he has to conduct his business as if he could be called back at any time, which he could be. DOD should reactivate his status to active duty, prefer charges against him and drum him out as the unfit undesireable he is.

Linda, I'd love to see John Murtha and especially John Kerry brought up on charges, but someone high up has the clout to protect traitors in the house and senate. We'll see if and when John Kerry discloses the facts on his DD214.

BTW I voted yes in the poll!!!

Posted by: Jack at June 1, 2007 12:26 AM


You right wingers make me sick. Why don't you try walking in Kokesh's shoes before you critisize what he does now that he's seen the kind of war bush is running.

He had the balls to enlist and try to help and now that he's seen what its like he has the balls to speak out about it.

and you sit on your couch.

Posted by: Richard K at June 1, 2007 09:07 AM


If your comment didn't appear, that could be because it got caught up in spam comment attack launched against this post, or, it could be because while discussion is welcome, vile personal attacks are not and I deleted yours.

All threats of bodily harm have been forwarded to the proper authorities for investigation.

Posted by: LindaSoG at June 1, 2007 10:58 AM


those who think that this soldier has freedom of speech are wrong and his lawyer should know that and now I know that you have not served in the military because you dont have freedom of speech when your in the military. if you dont believe me join, and to wear that uniform who represents so many soldiers and represent everyone who wears one who do not have his point of view is just selfish and for his own cause. the uniform represents uniformity (hence) UNIFORM.... and let him have his choice to feel whatever he wants nothing is wrong with that!! but voice it when your time is done, not when your actions can still effect his brothers and sisters who are still fighting and who represent him and those of you against this war. Its always amazing how when one soldier represents the surrender,give up, fly the white flag liberals it is front page but when they support and understand what were are doing and the positve side of this its on page 36 next to the soduku. I say go serve and when you have one tour then speak if not shut your trap and keep eating your salad and when walk by in my uniform look me in the eyes when you say you support me and recognize a real man when you see me (chuck)

Posted by: Semper Fidelis at June 5, 2007 06:27 AM


those who think that this soldier has freedom of speech are wrong and his lawyer should know that and now I know that you have not served in the military because you dont have freedom of speech when your in the military. if you dont believe me join, and to wear that uniform who represents so many soldiers and represent everyone who wears one who do not have his point of view is just selfish and for his own cause. the uniform represents uniformity (hence) UNIFORM.... and let him have his choice to feel whatever he wants nothing is wrong with that!! but voice it when your time is done, not when your actions can still effect his brothers and sisters who are still fighting and who represent him and those of you against this war. Its always amazing how when one soldier represents the surrender,give up, fly the white flag liberals it is front page but when they support and understand what were are doing and the positve side of this its on page 36 next to the soduku. I say go serve and when you have one tour then speak if not shut your trap and keep eating your salad and when walk by in my uniform look me in the eyes when you say you support me and recognize a real man when you see me (chuck)

Posted by: Semper Fidelis at June 5, 2007 06:28 AM


Military personnel are subject to a code of conduct, but no matter what branch of the military you belong to, you still maintain all the rights that all americans have. The code of conduct that you swore to abide by is binding until the end of your service. Anybody with any common sinse knows that it was wrong and unwise to use anything other than respect toward your superiors which is also part of the code of conduct. Attitude and behavior are a big factor in this case. If the uniform he wore at the protest was issued to him by the military, he has indeed broken the rules. But he did not have any insignas that would represent the military on the uniform he wore that day. All kinds of non-military people ware commo like people who hunt. did he represent all hunters at the protest. I think not. Was it his intention to represent his unit or the armed forces of the united states or to represent his opinion as a vet of a forign war. The uniform issue is mute.
His conduct toward a superior is the true offence within the code of conduct.

Posted by: JOE PARDO at June 5, 2007 08:36 AM


Kokesh was raised by American parents? Kinda makes one think about American school teachers in general and parents and union behavior and the ammendment which guarantees free speech. Or it should anyway. If it does not make one think and reflect on the importance of balanced teaching and parental responsibility in America..then one should never have children. And as well, one should leave the United States of America and go elsewhere. Perhaps Venezuela would be a nice place to live.

Posted by: Julie at June 6, 2007 03:10 PM


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